The meteoric success of Bored Ape Yacht Club has brought a lot of wonderful positive things to the world…and at the same time, some relatively creative scammers. As we’ve seen over the years, one of the ways scammers have been able to trick people into thinking they’re someone that they aren’t is with domain names. As you might imagine, the one and only Bored Ape Yacht Club can be found on BoredApeYachtClub.com, but like most brands they don’t own the matching domain across every extension out there, and scammers are now starting to buy up Trademark-infringing domains and use them to, well, scam people…
Yesterday on Discord I got the following DM, and as a domain investor, the first thing that caught my eye was the domain name…
There are so many TM violations in this it’s crazy. First – you can see the scammer is using two different variants of the Bored Ape Yacht Club logo, and then they’re using a domain name that at first glance, might look like the real thing, but it’s not.
I’m guessing this scam is working on people and the scammers are probably having a field day. There are so many new people joining the NFT space, people that are both new to NFTs and new to Discord, and without looking too deeply into this, it could really look like a legit DM.
With a floor price of 14ETH or ~$43,000 – the excitement of getting a free ape is pretty darn enticing. I’m hoping that this post will save at least a few people the pain of getting scammed. Also remember, scams like this will keep coming, today it’s on a .CC, tomorrow it will be on a different extension. Be careful and in general ignore any DMs you get on Discord with amazing offers that seem too good to be true.
I’ve written about Radix quite a bit in the past, the domain registry behind domain extensions like .TECH, .WEBSITE and .ONLINE and their commitment to doing good in the world. Last summer Radix partnered with Startup Grind to help entrepreneurs get their ideas off the ground, and this summer they’re at it again, this time supporting an incredible non-profit, Code.org that is dedicated to expanding access to computer science in schools.
Helping organizations like Code.org makes a lot of sense for Radix given the leadership’s commitment to people. Last year I did an interview with Radix’s CEO Sandeep Ramchandani and he had this to say about the team:
The team forms the nucleus of Radix. Working together in rhythm is only possible when everyone on the team believes in a common goal and is enthusiastic about it. Unlike various organizations where a team member is just another cog in the wheel, at Radix we welcome and celebrate individual genius. Put together, the team at Radix is not afraid to challenge the status quo or to take risks.
The reason we’ve been able to build and sustain an incredible team is by being extremely selective when hiring. We’re never going to be a several hundred people organization, so we may as well be picky about who we choose!
So it comes as no surprise that a company so focused on company culture also focuses on doing good for the community and in this case, they raised over $60,000 for an incredible cause. Here’s a bit more about the #MyStartInTech campaign:
The campaign was designed to raise awareness about the lack of access to computer science among young women and students from marginalized communities. As part of the campaign, .Tech Domains and the campaign partners will be donating 100% of .Tech domain sales proceeds through May and June, amounting to $65,000+, to Code.org, a nonprofit dedicated to expanding access to computer science in schools.
Congrats to Code.org – I’m sure they’re going to put this money to good use, and nicely done Radix, keep doing what you’re doing, it’s pretty darn inspiring! 🙌
When I bought my first ape the week the project launched I didn’t think much about traits and rarity, instead I was focused on something that would make an awesome profile picture. Then, as time went on and I continued to buy more apes, I started to spend a lot more time looking at traits, and rarity, and really started to pay attention to trends, which change quite a bit over time.
Fast-forward to today and I’ve found quite a few friends coming to me for advice on buying their first ape. Of course, things have changed a lot since the early days. First things first, a floor ape isn’t 0.35ETH, and some traits have really taken off that weren’t on anyone’s radar back in the olden days, i.e. three months ago.
As I’ve found more and more friends coming to me lately trying to find a solid investment-grade ape, and had the same conversation at least fives times now I thought, why not put together a little blog post about it. I’ll keep this short and sweet so let’s jam.
First – don’t just look at overall rarity
You probably already know about rarity.tools, if you don’t, that’s where you should probably be doing most of your research when it comes to traits and rarity. The biggest gotcha when it comes to picking an investment-grade ape IMO is focusing on overall rarity and not looking at the overall traits an ape has.
Here’s an example. There’s a trait that’s relatively rare for eyes called “crazy” that looks like this:
While only 407 out of 10,000 apes have this trait, it tends to track the floor, i.e. it doesn’t add to the price or investment value of the ape. Some people think this trait can actually hurt value because it just doesn’t look as good in a profile pict or blown up and framed on your wall. The same goes for coin eyes:
Once again, reasonably rare with only 479 out of 10,000 apes sharing this trait, but just not a great looking trait and it tends to track near the floor, but above crazy eyes. If you just look at overall rarity and find something that has an overall rarity of say 2,000 – 3,000, having a trait that makes it less attractive as a PFP (profile pict) can hurt the value. Remember, part of the value in Bored Apes is using it as a profile picture and being able to hang it on your wall as the awesome art that it is.
The reality is, while I love all apes, all 10,000 apes aren’t quite the same when it comes to making great PFPs or hanging on your wall (sorry but it’s true 🤷♂️ ) so keep that in mind when you’re picking an ape as it definitely impacts long-term investment value.
Second – learn what traits are popular now
Some specific traits will pop for one reason or another. A good recent example is the Christie’s Auction that features this beautiful ape:
The suit he’s wearing, that specific color of laser eyes, the angel halo, and of course the ever-popular cheetah fur are all decent ones to bet on. Next week Brad Pitt could buy an ape and could make one trait that hasn’t been as popular in the past rocket in value, trait value can change so pay attention to the floor prices on specific traits and how they change.
Third – try to find an ape with three or more rare/rare(ish) traits
This might just be a me thing, but it’s something I look at when buying apes and something I’ve recommended to friends. While it can be easy to be drawn in by one single rare trait, if you can find an ape with three rare, or rare(ish) traits, you’re essentially giving yourself a better chance of seeing stronger growth because one of those three rare traits could pop and your ape would go with it. Here’s an example from my portfolio:
The Bored Party Horn is a legit rare trait with only 88 apes having it. But I also have the Safari Hat and Leather Jacket that are rare(ish) and could see rising floors that would bring the overall value of this ape up. While having a part horn on it’s own is great, if you can couple it with two other rare(ish) traits, I think it gives you a better shot at seeing stronger investment growth over time.
Okay, while I could keep writing, and writing, and writing, about this topic, I’m going to leave it there for now. If you liked this article and would like me to go deeper, ask for a Part Two in the comment section below and I’ll make it happen. Of course, if you think this article totally sucked and my advice is garbage, you can share that too, comments are open – comment and let your voice be heard!
Thanks for reading, ape strong together ❤️ 🦍
Disclaimer: The above references an opinion and is for information purposes only. It is not intended to be investment advice. Seek a duly licensed professional for investment advice. I am an investor in Bored Ape Yacht Club and Bored Ape Kennel Club.
While NFTs have been all the rage lately, domain names continue to sell like crazy and budgets for meaningful one and two-word .COM domain names are the highest they’ve ever been. The reality is, as the world has gone digital, domains have only become more relevant, and just like the top NFTs sell for top dollar, so do the top domains.
I personally have always been focused on two-word .COMs when it comes to domain investing. While one-word .COMs tend to dominate when it comes to price tag, two-word .COMs have such a wide range and so much potential for serious ROI.
Of course, not all two-word .COMs are created equal, and having an eye for a truly valuable two-word .COM is something that takes quite a bit of skill. Like most domain names, a single “s” at the end of the word or “ed” can kill the value, so finding a real premium two-word .COM can be a bit like finding a needle in a haystack.
Braden Pollock is a serial entrepreneur, active angel investor, and very successful domain investor – he’s been a mentor of mine in both the domain and business world and we’re proud to have him as an investor in Bold Metrics and on our board. In short – Braden’s awesome and when I learned about a recent domain flip he made I asked him if I could break the news, he said yes, and this is me breaking the news 🥳
So you know the punchline but you don’t know the name, so let’s get to the good stuff, and there’s double good stuff in this announcement. First the name, Braden purchased WorldClass(.)com for $75,000 and like the title of the post says, he flipped it for $400,000. That alone is pretty darn impressive. But what makes this sale even more interesting is the timeline – Braden’s total hold time for the domain was (drumroll please 🥁 ) – four and a half months. Yes, in less than five months Braden was able to book a $325,000 profit on a two-word .COM, and as many will say, a world class two-word .COM.
Executing a flip like this takes guts and takes real capital since $75,000 is no small sum to put into a domain investment. I think a lot of domain investors would have been thrilled to sell the domain for $150,000 and double their money in 4.5 months. Pricing at $400k might seem crazy to some people, but investors like Braden know how much names like these are worth and they aren’t afraid to ask for it. While it can be easy to want to just take the money when you get an offer, this is a great example of knowing the quality of the asset that you have and selling it for what it’s really worth.
There’s no doubt in my mind this domain will make a huge impact for whoever bought it, there’s only one WorldClass(.)com and they now own it – I can’t wait to see what they do with it. So congrats to Braden and congrats to the buyer, this really is a win-win 🎉
Earlier this week a rumor started spreading through the Bored Ape Yacht Club community, today that rumor was verified – Bored Apes will be hitting the auction block at Christie’s in September. This is a significant milestone for Bored Ape Yacht Club and for NFTs in general, and I want to get into this more, but first – here’s the official release from Christie’s:
Christie’s presents No Time Like Present, featuring the very first NFT sale in Asia offered by an international auction house. Key highlights of the sale will include a group of exceptionally rare CryptoPunks created by Larva Labs, as well as Yuga Labs’ Bored Ape Yacht Club (BAYC) and Larva Labs’ latest creation Meebits. This auction also marks the first time BAYC and Meebits will be offered outside of any NFT-trading platform. This sale is poised to set another milestone in the history of Crypto Art.
Okay, now let’s chat about why this is a big deal, not just for Bored Ape Yacht Club but for NFTs and the whole market moving forward. First, let’s talk about the elephant in the room – we’ve become divided into two camps, people who bought NFTs a few months ago and are riding one heck of a wave, and those who didn’t and tend to just write comments on blogs like mine about how this is a big bubble and doesn’t make any sense.
First, know that I love you all, even if you don’t get this whole “NFT craze” or think it’s a bubble. What I can tell you is what I think because well, this is my personal blog so you end up hearing my point of view 🕺 I don’t think there’s any craze or bubble, just like cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Ethereum are challenging the status quo in the financial world, NFTs are challenging the status quo in the art world.
When companies like JPMorgan started getting into Bitcoin, traditional investors began to accept it more. NFTs have been around for a long time but once Christie’s held an auction for Cryptopunks, the art world started taking them a lot more seriously. The big question was – is Cryptopunks the one NFT that would reach the traditional art world, or would others break through. Now we know the answer to that question.
Seeing Bored Ape Yacht Club in a Christie’s auction is a bit surreal, I’ll be honest. I’ve gone through an incredible journey with these wonderful apes, and taking a lot of shit for it, from everyone. It reminds me a lot of when I first got into domain investing. I remember telling my friends and family what I was doing and they all said the same thing, “What?!?! Who would pay a lot of money for a simple domain name?” It just didn’t make sense to anyone.
When I bought my first ape, the fine gentleman I call “Captain Morgan” who now proudly sits at the top of my blog, people thought it was crazy to spend any money on a JPG. At that time maybe it was a little crazy, but now I can tell you, this is art, and Bored Ape Yacht Club is what inspired me to get more interested in and begin collecting art. Now I have four apes, and I love them, love displaying them, building personas around them, heck – one of them, Frankie Four Trait has his own Twitter account. Just look at these beautiful apes – this is art.
I’ve heard people say, “well it’s just not the same as original art that you hang in your house.” But what I think people are missing is that people like me never had any interest in buying art for thousands or tens of thousands of dollars and hanging it in my living room. NFTs are more relevant to me, and honestly feel a lot more permanent. I’m used to buying digital things, never cared much for physical things, so if I was going to get into art, it was going to be digital art, and yes – NFTs fit the bill because it is meaningful to me, and many others, to be the exclusive 1/1 owner of a piece of digital art.
Christie’s giving Bored Ape Yacht Club its stamp of approval changes the game in many ways for a lot of us. These NFTs are real investments, they’re not just silly JPEGs, they’re valuable, we love them, and it’s inspired a love for art that I really never knew I had. Now I’m talking with artists on Twitter, commissioning original works, joining interesting conversations about art, it’s a blast. As for hanging the art on my wall and looking at it – I’ll be honest, I like having it here on my blog, on Twitter, and in my OpenSea account a lot, hanging it on the wall is something I know traditional art lovers care a lot about, but for me, having it as a part of my digital identity and displaying it online is just as satisfying.
The world is changing and I don’t think NFTs are a fad that are going away. Heck, Christie’s started in 1766 and up until this year art has been sold in the exact same as it did when they started – did you really think it would stay the same forever? I see NFTs as a foundational shift, a move that’s made art more relevant for people like me, and it’s creating new communities, and connecting people in such a positive and meaningful way. I couldn’t be more excited about the adventure ahead, these are the early days and if you’ve been a naysayer so far, maybe you can take a step back and think how you’d like to remember where you were and what you did when the art world went digital…
We’re moving into a time where move things are making the shift towards decentralization, and with this shift comes an entirely new ecosystem of people and economies of scale. As many of you know, I’ve been pretty excited about NFTs this year, and as the art world shifts onto the blockchain it’s clearly opening up some pretty incredible opportunities for both artists and collectors.
Of course, as an investor, my core focus over the last decade has been domain names, and I’m more bullish than I’ve ever been when it comes to domain names as a meaningful and long-lasting asset class. When it comes to domains, I’m a .COM guy. Yes, you’ll hear me talk about extensions like .IO and .CO, sometimes even the mention of .GG or .VC, but at my core, .COM is my jam and continues to be my investment focus.
At the same time, it’s been hard to ignore the growth of the decentralized domain space. From Handshake domains to Unstoppable domains, the idea of owning a domain name without regulation by a centralized authority like ICANN has captivated many, me included. Still, when I look at a lot of “decentralized” domains, I find they’re not really decentralized in the true sense of the word. Sure they might get there, but they aren’t right now.
This is what makes Impervious’ announcement of .forever domains so interesting this week. Like the title of this post says, they’ve raised the bar and released truly decentralized domains. Oh, and like most things they do, the UX behind it is just so damn clean, it’s a thing of beauty. So why forever domains? Here’s the scoop:
If you register a domain on a traditional ICANN TLD (e.g., .com, .org, etc.), you don’t actually own that domain. You’re renting it from a registrar, and if your lease expires, the domain will be taken away from you. This has happened to a number of companies over the years, including Microsoft (twice), the Dallas Cowboys, and Regions Bank. It continues to happen to countless other companies and individuals on a daily basis.
Even if you renew your lease, there are multiple organizations that have the ability to censor and take control over your domain. For example, if you register example.com, the following organizations control it and can censor it: ICANN, the .com registry (Verisign), and the registrar you used to register the domain (e.g., GoDaddy). Anyone working for these organizations with sufficient access can remove your control of the domain.
Finally, there are multiple services around domain names (e.g., escrow services, domain name marketplaces, etc.) in which you need to trust other organizations as middlemen. If any of these middlemen are compromised, you can easily lose control of your domains.
To address all of these problems, we created .forever domains. When you register a .forever domain, you are the only person that can control it, and the domain never expires, which means you never have to renew it. Also, since .forever domains are stored on a blockchain, they cannot be seized or censored, and you don’t have to trust or rely on middlemen. So you truly own your .forever domain, completely and forever. You can get [your family name].forever and pass it down from generation to generation.
Now why I think Impervious is really raising the bar when it comes to truly decentralized domains is best shown in a simple chart. This illustrates how they’re really doing something new and interesting here:
Oh, and just like your favorite NFTs, Forever domains can be found on OpenSea:
I was lucky enough to snag nft.forever – I’m pretty jazzed I was able to get this one. Of course it’s still incredibly early so lots of great domains are still available. As for my take as a domain investor, don’t expect me to suddenly shift from .COM to .forever, that’s not happening, I’m still a .COM guy. But, I do think when it comes to getting some real exposure in decentralized domains, .forever feels like a good bet to place.
Disclaimer: The above references an opinion and is for information purposes only. It is not intended to be investment advice. Seek a duly licensed professional for investment advice. I am an investor in Impervious and like I said above, am also investing in .forever domains myself.
So the last few days have been nothing short of surreal. Yesterday Bored Ape Yacht Club hit a major milestone as the floor price hit 10ETH, or roughly $25,000 USD. This was incredible in many ways, one of which is the simple fact that the floor was around 0.5ETH only three months ago. There were a lot of things that led to the meteoric rise of BAYC, and what seemed to really accelerate things this week is the announcement that Christie’s would be auction off Bored Ape Yacht Club NFTs in the near-future.
Here’s the mention of the Christie’s auction in the Bored Apes Discord that really kicked things off:
While rumors had spread before, this sealed the deal and with the official announcement coming this Friday, what’s been happening is nothing short of surreal.
So last night, when the Bored Ape Yacht Club floor hit 10ETH I wrote an article about it on NFTInvesting.io. At the time I was honestly still in shock. I always thought a 10ETH floor would happened, but this happened a lot sooner than I had expected. Which is why today has been even more surreal. As of now, as I sit here in my living room writing this post, the floor for Bored Ape Yacht Club is now 14ETH 🤯
If this is the floor before the official Christie’s announcement, I don’t know exactly what to expect this Friday. One thing I can say is that it’s been a wild ride, and it’s only getting wilder. I don’t want to repeat too much of what I wrote about last night so I’ll share a couple paragraphs from my article, and if you want to do a deeper dive, feel free to give it a read. At a high-level, what I think is happening is much bigger than a rising floor and people making a small fortune off of NFTs. I see a real transformation in how communities are built and the role that art plays in all of our lives. It’s exciting, I’m loving it, and I can’t wait to see what happens next.
With that, I’ll leave you with a quick snippet from yesterday’s article:
Let’s face it, 2020 was a tough year, it was a dark time for the world, and I felt like we were all so divided, fighting against each other. That all changed once I bought my ape, changed my profile pict, and embraced the community. Rather than Twitter being a place that amplified our differences, it became a place that celebrated our similarities.
Fast forward three months later, I have more apes, I have more ape friends on Twitter, and I look forward to reading the tweets from this amazing community. I’ve met artists and learned about their passion for what they do, which then inspired me to buy their art and share it with others. I’ve met musicians and learned why they love what they do so much.
In the end, I learned that there are so many wonderful, positive, and talented people out there. I learned that I actually like art and feel good spending tens of thousands of dollars on art and supporting artists that are so freaking talented at what they do.
But more than anything else I learned that the power of community should never be underestimated. So let’s celebrate the 10ETH floor, I think we all know we’re going to make a lot of money for being early here…but let’s put the focus where it should be on the amazing community of people that have chosen to embrace positivity and love.
I was browsing on Twitter today when I saw this tweet:
Of course I couldn’t help but respond and call out this tweet since I don’t think it really did a good job of accurately representing what’s really going on…
So it looks like, as happens quite a bit on Twitter, the person behind the tweet is just trolling and he might get some attention from it – heck he got this blog post out of me! I don’t think this tweet does a good job of doing the math, so let’s look at the data straight from VeriSign:
Verisign ended the second quarter of 2021 with 170.6 million .com and .netdomain name registrations in the domain name base, a 5.2 percent increase from the end of the second quarter of 2020, and a net increase of 2.59 million during the second quarter of 2021.
During the second quarter of 2021, Verisign processed 11.7 million new domain name registrations for .com and .net, compared to 11.1 million for the same quarter in 2020.
The final .com and .net renewal rate for the first quarter of 2021 was 76.0 percent compared to 75.4 percent for the same quarter in 2020. Renewal rates are not fully measurable until 45 days after the end of the quarter. (Source – BusinessWire)
Now to be fair, I kinda like tweets like this, just like I like the tweets that claim NFTs are dead. So maybe ignore the data and read the tweet, .COM is dead so stop buying them and save them for the rest of us 😜
Hello, happy Friday, and welcome to another Flippa Friday here on MorganLinton.com 👋 As usual I’ve gone through Flippa and found two interesting online businesses that I think could make good potential investments. You know the drill – do your homework and don’t just take my word for it. And with that – let’s get to the good stuff!
First up is PokerEages.com, a site that checks two big boxes for me, first – it’s fifteen years old so the site has been around for a long time, and second, most of the traffic is organic coming from search. As we all know, building up organic traffic in search engines takes a lot of time, and usually a lot of content, this site has both with tons of content and fifteen years to build up ranking for a ton of different terms.
While I’m not a big poker fanatic myself, I have a lot of friends who love poker, and if you’re like them, you’d probably have a blast with this site, adding new content and continuing the grow the traffic and the revenue. With a profit of over $4,000/mo this is probably as close to a passive income machine as you can get. There’s quite a bit of bidding on this site but still 28 days to go so plenty of time to do your homework and figure out if it’s the right opportunity for you.
The second site that caught my eye this month is another older site, it’s a currency rate checking site that’s been around for seven years and gets close to 800,000 unique monthly visitors. What I thought was interesting about this business is that it comes with an Android app so the buyer has two different levers they can tweak to grow revenue.
Two things that did give me a bit of pause on this one are the fact that the headline says $3.5k/mo profit but the listing says $2,633k/mo in profit – it would be good to know which one is correct and why they’re different. Also the seller doesn’t have a picture of themselves which I always find a bit strange if they’re selling a business for six-figures. If I were interested in buying this site I’d probably use Flippa’s Due Diligence service just to make sure I’m getting what’s advertised.
Okay, that’s it for this week, TGIF, have a great weekend and as always – thanks for reading!
Disclaimer: The above references an opinion and is for information purposes only. It is not intended to be investment advice. Seek a duly licensed professional for investment advice.
Living in San Francisco and running a startup means that I tend to hang out with a lot of other awesome startup people. I love the energy in SF, and along with being born and raised in the Bay there’s just something electric about the scene in the city over the last few years. Of course IPOs from companies like Slack, Pinterest and so many others has certainly grown the angel scene tremendously and it’s safe to say the entrepreneurial vibe is going strong across-the-board.
Of course, one thing that I find comes up all the time when I’m having beer with other founder friends is domain names. While you might have been reading my blog for years, most of my friends have no idea that I have a blog, and only a handful know that I’ve been a bit of a domain geek over the last decade. When the topic of domains comes up I often here a similar story, searching for a domain, finding it’s registered, and then iterating through different name combos until they find something that’s available.
For friends that just raised a big round, they might have a solid budget for a domain, but they often don’t know where to start when it comes to buying domains in the aftermarket, or negotiating directly with a domain owner. I’ll save the negotiations part for another post because that’s a whole article itself…instead I wanted to focus on a tip I recently shared with a good friend that was looking for a domain for his startup – he had never heard of this process before and I thought there’d probably be more people in his shoes so I thought I’d share it on my blog 🤷♂️
I typically find founders end up in two camps when it comes to domains:
They already have a domain in mind
They know words they like and have a general idea but don’t have a name in mind
If you’re in option #2 you might decide to jump over to somewhere like Go Daddy but I often find that founders are missing three gems where there’s a lot less competition for names and some real deals to be had. In general, my first suggestion overall to founders is to try to buy an expired domain name rather than a domain someone is trying to sell at retail.
This usually gets the same response – wait, you can buy expired domains?!?! Yes – you can buy expired domains and there are some sites you might not have heard of where you can do it with a lot less competition from other people. Here’s three go-to’s I share with founders.
For .COM domains:
NameJet – I’ve been using NameJet for a long time, it’s a great place to buy expired domains, but you will have to make sure to know how to filter for them. When you go to NameJet, just click “Search” in the navigation bar and then from the dropdown menu on the left side choose “Pending Deletes” – if you want the good stuff, just click the word Bidders and sort by most bids – boom 🕺
SnapNames – this is a good one to know about as you can actually but backorders on domains you might be interested in, and when they expire, you’ll automatically bid on them. You can read more about the backordering process here. You can also just search SnapNames full inventory which has a mix of expired domains and domains that sellers have put up for auction and are often willing to let go of at a lower price, i.e. they’re actively trying to move the name.
While NameJet and SnapNames are two great go-to’s for .COM, and they carry a wide range of extensions, I always like to highlight one of my favorite sites for finding .IO, .CO, .ME and other expired domains in non .COM – Park.io.
For Park.io there are two paths you can take. If you click “Domains” at the top of the screen you’ll see a list of expiring domains, if one catches your eye you can see when it’s dropping and backorder it. Additionally, by clicking Auctions you can see domains that others also want to snag and jump into an auction and bid against them.
I see .IO domains that normally sell for $50,000+ sell for around $5,000 on Park.io all the time. There are some really good deals there and like I said, you just aren’t competing against as many people since you’re often bidding against more wholesale buyers than retail buyers.
So if you’re a founder looking for a domain name, and you don’t have a specific domain in mind, expired domains might be the way to go, and these three sites can help you avoid the crowds and get in at a great price. Hope this is helpful, oh and if you end up getting a name from one of these, next time you come to SF, first beer’s on you 🍻